Nick Rowe asks if the distributional consequences of Monetary Policy are bad and says “No”:
“But mostly, I think Ashwin is asking the wrong question. I can’t stop people asking the question “would loosening monetary policy to increase aggregate demand cause the distribution of income/wealth to worsen?”. My guess is that some people would indeed be made worse off, like people who hold a high proportion of their wealth in safe nominal bonds (though I’m not sure if that counts as a worsening of inequality or not). But I can’t imagine that anyone would use that as a reason for not increasing aggregate demand. After all, those who would probably benefit the most would probably be those with the highest risk of unemployment, who are likely to be among the most poor. I hope nobody would argue “we just have to live with the recession, because if we cured it some rich people would benefit”.”
This is a response to an article by Ashwin Parameswaran, where Ashwin makes it clear the fed buying real world assets is fiscal policy.
“A quantitative easing program focused on purchasing private sector assets is essentially a fiscal program in monetary disguise and is not even remotely neutral in its impact on income distribution and economic activity. Even if the central bank buys a broad index of bonds or equities, such a program is by definition a transfer of wealth towards asset-holders and regressive in nature (financial assets are largely held by the rich).
But the more interesting part is the next parts (bold mine):
“The very act of making private sector assets “safe” is a transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to some of the richest people in our society. The explicit nature of the central banks’ stabilisation commitment means that the rent extracted from the commitment increases over time as more and more economic actors align their portfolios to hold the stabilised and protected assets.”
Such a program is also biased towards incumbent firms and against new firms. The assumption that an increase in the price of incumbent firms’ stock/bond price will flow through to lending and investment in new businesses is unjustified due to the significantly more uncertain nature of new business lending/investment. This trend has been exacerbated since the crisis and the bond market is increasingly biased towards the largest, most liquid issuers. Even more damaging, any long-term macroeconomic stabilisation program that commits to purchasing and supporting macro-risky assets will incentivise economic actors to take on macro risk and shed idiosyncratic risk. Idiosyncratic risk-taking is the lifeblood of innovation in any economy.
In other words, QE is not sufficient to hit any desired inflation/NGDP target unless it is expanded to include private sector assets. If it is expanded to include private sector assets, it will exacerbate the descent into an unequal, crony capitalist, financialised and innovatively stagnant economy that started during the Greenspan/Bernanke put era.”
Let me assure you this “transfer of wealth to the richest people in our society” and massive bias “towards incumbent firms and against new firms” didn’t start when Bernanke started buying real world assets.
This massive distortion happens as a matter of course with stimulative monetary policy. It’s been happening for 30 years as we slowly ground our rates to zero.
Why? Why is this the case?
Lowering interest rates doesn’t just cause more economic activity. Lower interest rates also causes asset values to rise. It causes people who own assets to see those assets go up in value.
Lower the discount rate, and the value of assets goes up, by definition. Lowering interest rates has a balance sheet effect on existing assets.
In short, monetary policy causes the rich to get richer without lifting a finger. That’s a distributional consequence, right?
But that’s not the end of the consequences of using monetary policy. We know something about our economy. We know if we want it to move away from equilibrium into growth over the long run, some sector needs to go into deficit.
Here’s Wynne Godley:
“It is thirty years since Carl Christ, of Johns Hopkins University, had the brilliant insight that should an economy ever reach stationary equilibrium, all stock variables as well as all flow variables would be constant; and that if all stock variables, including government debt, were constant, government receipts would have to equal government payments. It would then follow that if the economy were moving toward stock-flow equilibrium and if taxes were levied as a proportion of income, the GDP of a (closed) economy would always be tracking, perhaps with a long lag, government outlays divided by the average tax rate – the very same concept that we call fiscal stance. Therefore, a necessary condition for the expansion of the economy, at least in the long term, is that the fiscal stance should rise: Government expenditure must rise relative to the average tax rate. If the tax rate were held constant, government expenditure would have to rise absolutely for output to grow; if government expenditure were held constant, the tax rate would have to fall.”
How can an economy grow in the long run if the fiscal stance does not rise?
One answer: Ever more debt.
How can we be assured of creating more debt? Lowering interest rates.
What happens when we lower interest rates? We make private sector owners of assets richer, due to the lower discount rate on their assets.
Since this path of ever more debt must continue to get the economy to grow, and the only way we’ve done this for 30 years is to lower interest rates, monetary policy makes asset owners richer.
This is what happens:
““The very act of making private sector assets “safe” is a transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to some of the richest people in our society. The explicit nature of the central banks’ stabilisation commitment means that the rent extracted from the commitment increases over time as more and more economic actors align their portfolios to hold the stabilised and protected assets.”
Such a program is also biased towards incumbent firms and against new firms. The assumption that an increase in the price of incumbent firms’ stock/bond price will flow through to lending and investment in new businesses is unjustified due to the significantly more uncertain nature of new business lending/investment.”
Now, of course, the gig is up and we can’t lower nominal rates any farther. So we need to do the equivalent – which is buy real world assets from rich people. and it’s 100% obvious something like the Central Treasury Reserve Bank needs to purchase real world assets for credit to grow and therefore get our economy going.
But lowering interest rates has exactly the same effect as buying real world assets to the owners of assets. It causes the value of their assets to go up in value.
Now, even if the real effect of new activity happens due to expectations, the only way to credibly make people expect to higher asset prices is to create a huge number of lottery winners asset owners more wealthy, again and again and again.
This is a natural, unavoidable consequence of using monetary policy as our policy tool to create higher levels of NGDP. It’s written in the hard laws of finance and economics.30 years of ever lower interest rates has significant distributional consequences on our society.




Michael – Note that the last line of my quote is ” If it is expanded to include private sector assets, it will exacerbate the descent into an unequal, crony capitalist, financialised and innovatively stagnant economy that started during the Greenspan/Bernanke put era.”
So I largely agree! The second post you’ve linked to (and most of my other posts) focuses more on how the Greenspan Put era is linked to a stagnant, crony capitalist system. I tend to see the causal chain as Crony capitalism -> Weaker bargaining position for labour -> No real wage growth -> Low rates needed for consumption growth -> increased household leverage -> current mess.
Just FYI, the original post that Nick Rowe linked to http://www.macroresilience.com/2012/06/04/the-case-against-monetary-stimulus-via-asset-purchases/ and Nick’s post http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2012/06/does-monetary-policy-have-bad-distributional-consequences.html
Ashwin, really enjoy your work. Thanks for your efforts!
Thanks! Regular reader of the posts here – the day-job has kept me largely off the blogosphere the last few months but hope to comment more often.
Ashwin!
I wanted to copy your whole post, but I needed to at least pretend I was adding some original content.
Nick is focusing (mostly) on the cash flow consequences of lowering interest rates or buying private sector assets on aggregate demand, while (mostly) ignoring the balance sheet effects of the lower discount rate.
Yes, it’s possible these effects will lead to higher inflation and therefore lower asset prices, and he briefly mentions this in his post. That’s not what we’ve seen over the last 30 years. Over the last 30 years, we’ve seen real estate go up, up, up in value while inflation gets crushed.
I read your stuff all the time and if I had more time would love to be commenting over there. Great stuff.
Can you go into more detail on how this all lead to crony capitalism? This is a crucial relationship and significantly misunderstood by so many people.
(P.S. I don’t know how I missed linking to you and Nick. Fixing now.)
Specifically about how MP leads to intelligent people wanting to buy assets positively impacted by the 100% guaranteed future MP stimulus, which leads to…
Michael – The basic principle is that stability and stabilisation for corporate entities i.e. protection from failure is the essence of crony capitalism. When you use monetary policy to protect the asset prices of incumbent corporates (which is the essence of the Greenspan Put era), then you’re shielding them from the essential dynamics of a healthy capitalist economy.
For a short version of the idea, try this post http://www.macroresilience.com/2011/12/07/the-great-recession-business-investment-and-crony-capitalism/ – it’s sort of a Schumpeterian take on Minsky-Keynes. And to quote from this post on financialisation http://www.macroresilience.com/2011/10/03/macroeconomic-stabilisation-and-financialisation-in-the-real-economy/ –
“In the long run, creating any source of stability in a capitalist economy incentivises economic agents to realign themselves to exploit that source of security and thereby reduce risk. Similar to how banks adaptation to theintervention strategies preferred by central banks by taking on more “macro” risks, macro-stabilisation incentivises real economy firms to shed idiosyncratic micro-risks and take on financial risks instead. Suppressing nominal volatility encourages economic agents to shed real risks and take on nominal risks. In the presence of the Greenspan/Bernanke put, a strategy focused on “macro” asset price risks and leverage outcompetes strategies focused on “risky” innovation. Just as banks that exploit the guarantees offered by central banks outcompete those that don’t, real economy firms that realign themselves to become more bank-like outcompete those that choose not to.”
There’s nothing that new in all this – Mancur Olson figured out a long time ago that long periods of stability lead to buildup of special interests and wisely counselled that “a rational and humane society will confine its distributional transfers to poor and unfortunate individuals” rather than corporate entities. Hence my preference for transfers to individuals rather than blanket protection to corporate entities. Unfortunately, we keep doing exactly the opposite and people are shocked when we end up with an unequal and dysfunctional economy.
Great stuff. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen my list of reason Monetary Policy sucks, but I did not have creates a hothouse for crony capitalism on that list.
This is hard to convey, because we’ve spent so little time thinking through how monetary policy really works. There have been endless papers on the math of monetary policy, but precious little on how monetary policy specifically finds its way through the economy.
And I think you’ve setup an airtight case here. It’s 100% obvious monetary policy works through changing interest rates to alter expectations about the future. Changes in MP alters expectations in a very specific manner. The first people and institutions able to take advantage of the changes in expectations can be easily identified. Money does not float down from the sky in an equal manner across the land. Money gets created in specific accounts which gets spent.
And it’s inevitable, it’s 100% certain to happen with monetary policy. Increases in the value of assets creates a feedback loop with the following characteristics:
1. Existing Asset owners become real world richer compared to non-asset owners
2. Existing asset owners improve the stance of their balance sheets due to asset value increases
3. Existing asset owners are therefore the first able to borrow more money for further asset purchases, and in the best shape to borrrow that money
4. Existing firms become more attractive as their assets increase
5. Barriers to capital intensive industries become even higher.
And all of this *must* happen if we want nominal growth in our economy.
replied to this a few hours ago but the comment is stuck in moderation.
Must-read post of the day, maybe week. Brilliant.
thx Woj, we try to keep it interesting around here.
Good stuff, Michael.
Thanks Dan,
At some point the story about how Monetary Policy distorts balance sheets will become widely accepted.
Imagine you have 2 people in the world, each making the same amount of money. One has real estate, the other does not.
Over a long period of time, Godley’s theorem forces the central bank to set rates ever lower to get nominal growth. This must happen if the government budget is balanced and the foreign sector is balanced.
As time passes, the person with real estate will be able to get more credit to buy more assets, which then continue to go up in value.
Then, Ashwin pointed out how this distorts the entire economic calculation process. He’s going to do more on this, but his post is an excellent introduction.
Using monetary policy picks long term winners and distorts the economy as much or more than fiscal policy.
Then, any credible expectations-driven results means “asset prices go higher”. Isn’t that what expectations do, by definition? If the Central Bank “credibly” threatens to raise asset prices until NGDP goes up, won’t asset prices go up even if they don’t buy a single asset?
So anyone wanting to buy an asset in the future is made poorer. Kids of 25 today are poorer because they need to spend more money on their house at 30.
Solid stuff, Mike.
There’s the old Mike, taking it to the monetarists again!!
Atta boy!
I was linked recently to a post by Krugman ( I think it was few years back) where Krugman was talking about monetary policy working primarily via the real estate lending channel (Im still tying to find the link for you) and I thought “Now where have I heard this before?.,……… Oh yeah Traders Crucible.”
Nice to know you think like a Nobel Laureate isnt it Mike.
Ha!
Greg – I had 50% written a post on that and eventually had to put it down because I just didn’t have time to complete it!
Yes, the krugman post is hilarious. Its the ultimate bury the lede.
Nobody talks about how monetary policy works primarily through real estate, and primarily through a wealth effect associated with real estate.
Then nobody talks about the slow nature of credit and real estate. Real estate is about the slowest moving market on the planet, and we base our primary lever on the economy on changing expectations on this market.
It’s not “expectations”, it’s extremely specifically expectations of 60% real estate with about 30% business lending and 10% other junk.
It’s not like you lower rates and then “aggregate demand” mystically happens. Nope, the expectations still needs something to “expectationally” channel through. What expectations exactly changed? It’s real estate and business lending expectations.
This stuff isn’t impossible to understand. It takes a clear head to keep asking questions, but there is a story which is logically coherent and analytically sound. Nothing in the world “just happens”. There is no magic, only technology.
So where was the link to that Krugman article? You must have seen it too
Let me take a look. I threw away the draft post with the link. he’s not talking about real estate.
He literally puts it within parenthesis in the post.
“The very act of making private sector assets “safe” is a transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to some of the richest people in our society.”
On the other hand, the distribution of wealth is so unequal (top 20% of families hold 85% of net wealth, hell, the top 400 households holds more net assets than the bottom 50% of US households) that simply increasing the inflation target by 1% is the equivalent of stripping $600 billion a year from the $60 billion in household net worth– without having to raise taxes. The bottom 4 quintiles could be made whole with a $90B tax break.
It’d actually make a lot of sense to replace income and estate taxes with an annual wealth tax (and replace FICA and corporate taxes with a VAT– whose rates could float counter-cyclically just as easily as FICA rates). However, you can safely file that under stuff that will never happen.
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http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2012/01/the-conservative.html
Good ideas but I think a (real) property tax would be better than one that taxes all wealth. It could be structured as close as possible to a tax on economic rent, while encouraging development of property. And it would have the added benifit of ease of enforcement given that just about every county and municipality already has a property tax, the Feds could piggy back off them for enforcement. It would also be much more politically realistic than just confiscating a portion of peoples wealth every year.
A federal net wealth tax would be hard to enact, a federal real property tax would be impossible.
The Constitution makes it difficult to tax property directly for convoluted reasons related to the Census; the political problem is almost as bad, state and local govts currently have a monopoly on taxing property and their elected officials would go on the warpath to keep Congress from stepping on their turf. Since congressman are expected to go home once in a while and maybe even live there, the idea wouldn’t get very far in Congress.
Despite being an MMT commie I think that still asset purchases are less distortionary than fiscal policy, as I said at Ashwin’s.
If policy is to be income distribution neutral it has to transfer massively more to those who own the most assets. You have to send 99% of money to those who own 99% of assets, otherwise you are redistributing. Fiscal policy transfers to the bottom of the heap, so it is massively redistributive. Asset pumping is not, the transfer is proportional to wealth (asset holdings).
I still think there are other problems with asset purchases. I think assets should go *down* in recessions, not up as this policy would have it, otherwise the signals the economy receives are all ass-backwards.
Income/wealth neutrality is not the measure of distortion that most of us are talking about with regards to monetary vs fiscal policy. What concerns us is allocation of resources. If you cut the payroll tax, much of the money flows to people at the bottom/middle of the income distribution who will simply spend more on the same things on which they spend currently, therefore little to no economic inefficiency. The firms that recieve the extra income are the ones the market has chosen via the collective choices of people.
Monetary policy on the other hand causes people to make all sorts of saving/investment decisions they would not have otherwise made, which often turn out to be unsucessful to due subsequent Fed rate actions. An example would be the marginal home buyer taking out an ARM to buy a house, then the Fed raises rates causing their mortgage to reset to higher rate a few years later resulting in default.
Commie! lol.
I get your point, but I don’t think it is proportional to wealth over the long run. In the short term, it can be “possibly” be neutral.
In the long run, increased wealth brings increased access to credit to buy more assets. Additionally, MP stimulus greatly favors current wealth owners over possible futures owners.
Imagine we have rates at 3% and they are cut to 2%. Every asset based on the 3% discount rate now has increased in value by 50%, from 33 to 50 total.
If you are using leverage, like everyone does with real estate, the increase in wealth can be 100% or more on a simple rate decrease.
So imagine you have two people. Person 1 has no house, and their income goes up by 3% per year due to the stimulus from monetary policy. Person 2 has a 333k house which they put down 60K, and their income also goes up by 3% due to monetary policy. Their house goes in value from 333k to 500K, which goes to their balance sheet.
They used to have a 60K balance sheet. Now their balance sheet is 233K.
These people come into your office to buy a summer home. Who are you more likely to give a loan to? The person with a balance sheet of 233K. You pass on the other credit applicant.
They go off and buy the extra house for 500K, and then rates are cut to 1%. All of a sudden the person with a moderately greater net worth than someone else has become fantastically wealthy just due to starting with more at the beginning.
This is what Ashwin is talking about in his post.
Fiscal policy is very distortionary. But to pretend monetary policy isn’t distortionary is against the laws of finance.
You’d almost think someone has a big vested interest in keeping the money out of economics. It’s almost like by ignoring money, some people can frame the debate in such a way which greatly benefits them.
“If policy is to be income distribution neutral”
Why would that be the policy? It’d be more efficient (and more humane) to target aid to those in need.
Mike S
As a corollary to Ashwin’s point on cronyism and stability resultant from asset-sensitive and accommodative monetary policy, in general increasing the supply of safe assets has similar effects. http://jrvarma.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/safe-or-informationally-insensitive-assets/
Good presentation from Keen on endogenous money. Thanks Tom
http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2012/06/steve-keen-primer-on-endogenous-money-1.html